16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.
Church makes Jesus divine, and says that he died for the sins of humans. But what was Early Christian Beliefs?
Paul's Letters are the earliest written and only 6 out of 14 letters of him are regared originally written by him by Biblical Scholars, and we shall analyse them.
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him.15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
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We can also see Jesus said all the Jewish mythology ends with John the Baptist- Is he Messiah?
Matthew 11:12 From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subjected to violence,[d] and violent people have been raiding it.13 For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. 14 And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come. 15 Whoever has ears, let them hear.
John the Baptist says what?
John 1:21 They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” John the Baptist said, “I am not.”“Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”
1 Corinthians 15:51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all Die, but we will all be changed —52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Philippians 1:4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now,6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead —Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 4:17
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.
Galatians 1:3 Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4 who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father,
Romans 8: 1Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death.
18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.
Galatians 4: 4But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
Romans 1:3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a]was a descendant of David
As per Jewish Mythologies David is the only King who ruled Judea and Israel and as per the story- his Son Solomon- who was the Son of Bethsheba- King David when the Country was Under war and saw Bethsheba wife of Uria the Soldier, called her and had Intercourse(Rape?); then asked Uria to have sex with bethsheba- but as all Soldiers are under promise to LORD-Uria refused -hence Kind David got Uria killed then Married Bethsheba.
This relation's son was Solomon.
David had to walk in Street Naked-to please LORD of this Sins.
Archeology says -Judea was an unoccupied small place during this period. David and Solomon could have been some village heads.
Other than Paul's 6 letter all other books- authors are unknown and church has given the names to make people to belive that these are eye withness accounts -whis is not.
How about Other writers say
1 Peter 15 who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
20 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.
1 Peter 4:7The end of all things is near.
17 For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
1 John 2: 18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
Jude 1: 17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
Hebrews 9: 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself.
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
The writers of these letters expected world ending in their Life time.
Paul does not know the Historical Jesus, and he expected world ending from the teachings of resusticated Jesus!
But what does Gospel Hero Jesus say?
Matthew 10: 5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go Only to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’
Matthew 10: 23When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.
Mark 9:1And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.
Mark 13: 29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that itis near, right at the door.30 Truly I tell you, the people living now will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
what will all happen
24 “But in those days, following that distress,
“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[c]
26 “At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.27 And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.
Jesus is reported to have told the Jewish Pastors and High-Bishop
Mark 14:61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Jesus said - nobody would light a lamp and keep under a Cot, but put in a higher place- so if at all Jesus would have done angy Magic are resurrection- he would have done it before many, but we have nothing like it.
Jesus is made a Divine person and what did Jesus say about himself?
John 6:48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven, which anyone may eat and not die.51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”
John 6:58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
John 13:26 ... Then, dipping the piece of bread, JESUS gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot.27 As soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him.
Now let us see Authour of 4th Gospel identifies as a Disciple and claims that what Resusticated Jesus told them?
John 21:20 Peter turned and saw that the disciple whom Jesus loved was following them. (This was the one who had leaned back against Jesus at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is going to betray you?”)21 When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”
22 Jesus answered, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.” 23 Because of this, the rumor spread among the believers that this disciple would not die. But Jesus did not say that he would not die; JESUS only said, “If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you?”
24 This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who wrote them down. We know that his testimony is true.
Sadducces were the High Bishops of Judaism till the war 65-70; later Pharisees took over.
They occupied the Chair of Moses as Jesus referred.
Acts 4:1 The priests and the captain of the temple guard and the Sadducees came up to Peter and John while they were speaking to the people.2 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people, proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.
Paul claimed that Resusticated Jesus appeared to him and 500 others. Paul was arrested when all Apostles were in Jerusalem- Did he called any of this 500 for witness-No but what he did?
Acts 23: 6 Then Paul, knowing that some of them were Sadducees and the others Pharisees, called out in the Sanhedrin, “My brothers, I am a Pharisee, descended from Pharisees. I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead.”7 When he said this, a dispute broke out between the Pharisees and the Sadducees, and the assembly was divided.8 (The Sadducees say that there is no resurrection,and that there are neither angels nor spirits, but the Pharisees believe all these things.)
As for the Bible in Hebrew does not have any Messiah -Spirits etc., all these are sectarian Jewish beliefs, expecting world ending in their Life time.
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Devapriya Solomon
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Who is Christ?
Comment:
Now I have analysed claims of Paul and Jesus from New Testament and felt neither Jesus nor Muhaammad can be called Christ or the last Prophet.
One rafeeque Mohammad had visited my thread and put in responses to your Tamil website on discussion with TNTJ and linked your site. http://devapriyaji.activeboard.com/t49213357/jesus-or-mohammed-who-is-christ/
In your above talk with TNTJ You said that neither Muslims not Christians can claim authority over Old Testament. On that basis can you say that Do Jews agree that Messiah is already born and who they consider-Mohammed or Jesus.
//உபாகமம்: 24: 16 பிள்ளைகளுக்காகப் பிதாக்களும்,பிதாக்களுக்காகப் பிள்ளைகளும் கொலை செய்யப்படவேண்டாம்; அவனவன் செய்த பாவத்தினிமித்தம் அவனவன் கொலைசெய்யப்படவேண்டும். எரேமியா: 31:29பிதாக்கள் திராட்சக்காய்களைத் தின்றார்கள், பிள்ளைகளின் பற்கள் கூசிப்போயின என்று அந்நாட்களில் சொல்லமாட்டார்கள்.30. அவனவன் தன்தன் அக்கிரமத்தினிமித்தமே சாவான்; எந்த மனுஷன் திராட்சக்காய்களைத் தின்பானோ அவனுடைய பற்களே கூசிப்போகும். எசேக்கியேல்: 18:1. கர்த்தருடைய வார்த்தை எனக்கு உண்டாகி, அவர்,2. பிதாக்கள் திராட்சக்காய்களைத் தின்றார்கள், பிள்ளைகளின் பற்கள் கூசிப்போயின என்னும் பழமொழியை நீங்கள் இஸ்ரவேல் தேசத்தைக் குறித்துச்சொல்லுகிறது என்ன?3. இனி இஸ்ரவேலில் இந்தப் பழமொழியைச் சொல்வது இல்லை என்பதை என் ஜீவனைக்கொண்டு சொல்லுகிறேன் என்று, கர்த்தராகிய ஆண்டவர் உரைக்கிறார்.4. இதோ, எல்லா ஆத்துமாக்களும் என்னுடையவைகள்; தகப்பனின் ஆத்துமா எப்படியோ, அப்படியே மகனின் ஆத்துமாவும் என்னுடையது; பாவஞ்செய்கிற ஆத்துமாவே சாகும்.//
Dear Sir,
Your quote is interesting
மத்தேயு
17 நியாயப்பிரமாணத்தையானாலும் தீர்க்கதரிசனங்களையானாலும் அழிக்கிறதற்கு வந்தேன் என்று எண்ணிக்கொள்ளாதேயுங்கள்,அழிக்கிறதற்கு அல்ல, நிறைவேற்றுகிறதற்கே வந்தேன்.
18 வானமும் பூமியும் ஒழிந்துபோனாலும், நியாயப்பிரமாணத்திலுள்ளதெல்லாம் நிறைவேறுமளவும், அதில் ஒரு சிறு எழுத்தாகிலும், ஒரு எழுத்தின் உறுப்பாகிலும் ஒழிந்துபோகாது என்று மெய்யாகவே உங்களுக்குச் சொல்லுகிறேன்.
19 ஆகையால், இந்தக் கற்பனைகள் எல்லாவற்றிலும் சிறிதானதொன்றையாகிலும் மீறி, அவ்விதமாய் மனுஷருக்குப் போதிக்கிறவன் பரலோகராஜ;யத்தில் எல்லாரிலும் சிறியவன் என்னப்படுவான், இவைகளைக் கைக்கொண்டு போதிக்கிறவனோ, பரலோகராஜ;யத்தில் பெரியவன் என்னப்படுவான்.
20 வேதபாரகர் பரிசேயர் என்பவர்களுடைய நீதியிலும் உங்கள் நீதி அதிகமாயிராவிட்டால், பரலோகராஜ;யத்தில் பிரவேசிக்கமாட்டீர்கள் என்று உங்களுக்குச் சொல்லுகிறேன்.
Now how does church then tells that Blood of Jesus can kill all sins.